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The manual transmission penalty

Postby Standardshifter » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:53 pm

Manuals are having a bit of a resurgence, especially in cars that are in the fun-to-drive category. Looking at you BRZ/FRS...

However, there are plenty of drivers that want manuals in other types of cars, and in particular, subcompacts. Once regulated to a short option list, the US subcompact class is starting to punch above its weight in terms of features. Not surprising for any Europeans that read this forum, but it is a relatively new trend here in the US. However, all is not perfect. The standardshifters out there are usually limited in their options. No heated and cooled seats for you! The following blog post is from Subcompact Culture-The small car blog:

"Those of us who want a car with a manual transmission are often penalized by not being able to get other options we want. As if those of us who want to row our own gears don't want some of the other niceties found on different trim levels that are only available with an automatic."

"But for us—a household that only buys manual transmissions—we're often relegated to specific options, trim levels, and packages because we want to row our own gears. I suppose it's part of the plight that is being a die-hard stick shifter. "

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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby Shadow » Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:40 pm

I agree that can be an issue for stick-shift subcompact buyers. It's too bad they don't offer all the bells & whistles on their manual trans models, although that seems like it might defeat the purpose of buying a low-cost small car. Gotta step up to a more expensive car if you really want a stick and all the great options.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby Rope-Pusher » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:51 pm

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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby AHTOXA » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:55 pm

Shadow wrote:I agree that can be an issue for stick-shift subcompact buyers. It's too bad they don't offer all the bells & whistles on their manual trans models, although that seems like it might defeat the purpose of buying a low-cost small car. Gotta step up to a more expensive car if you really want a stick and all the great options.


The Sonic can be had with a manual in the highest trims including LTZ and RS. MyTouch, nav, heated seats, etc. There are no option limitations for manual Sonics. The Soul that I had, however, was different. You could not get the top trim level in a manual - entry and mid-level only.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby Rope-Pusher » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:33 pm

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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby Shadow » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:31 am

AHTOXA wrote:
Shadow wrote:I agree that can be an issue for stick-shift subcompact buyers. It's too bad they don't offer all the bells & whistles on their manual trans models, although that seems like it might defeat the purpose of buying a low-cost small car. Gotta step up to a more expensive car if you really want a stick and all the great options.


The Sonic can be had with a manual in the highest trims including LTZ and RS. MyTouch, nav, heated seats, etc. There are no option limitations for manual Sonics. The Soul that I had, however, was different. You could not get the top trim level in a manual - entry and mid-level only.


Now if only all automakers would do the same....then there would be no reason for subcompact buyers to complain. Unfortunately, the vast majority of subcompact cars don't offer all the bells & whistles when equipped with a manual transmission. I think that was the point of the blog in the first place. I'll also take it a step further---more and more stick shift cars are only offered with the "weak" engine. That isn't always the case though. If I remember correctly, the Honda Accord Coupe can be had with the V6 and a stick, although if you want the sedan, I believe you're forced to buy the 4-banger if you want to row your own gears.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby AHTOXA » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:47 am

Yes, I agree. Most automakes still outfit their subcompacts with manual trans as "poverty spec" but there are changes that the market is seeing.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby six » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:30 pm

Haha, "Poverty Spec" :lol:

Classic!

The situation is reversed when it comes to the car I have, the Acura CL. Although it's 10 years old, the manual can only be had with the highest trim, the Type-S.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby Shadow » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:01 pm

six wrote:Haha, "Poverty Spec" :lol:

Classic!

The situation is reversed when it comes to the car I have, the Acura CL. Although it's 10 years old, the manual can only be had with the highest trim, the Type-S.


That may be true, but there is no such thing as a poorly-equipped CL. If I remember correctly, the only option on those cars was navigation, right? I'm pretty sure that everything else was standard on those cars.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby DKaz » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:00 pm

You can get a fully loaded Rio5 SX and Accent GLS hatch at least in Canada (that I know of) with stick. Push button start, auto climate control, and all that.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby six » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:24 pm

Shadow wrote:
six wrote:Haha, "Poverty Spec" :lol:

Classic!

The situation is reversed when it comes to the car I have, the Acura CL. Although it's 10 years old, the manual can only be had with the highest trim, the Type-S.


That may be true, but there is no such thing as a poorly-equipped CL. If I remember correctly, the only option on those cars was navigation, right? I'm pretty sure that everything else was standard on those cars.

Yeah, nav was the only option with the 2003 model year CL. What I was talking about, which is pretty unrelated to the topic at hand, was that the manual was only available on the Type-S, and not on the "weaker" base CL. If you wanted a manual on the weaker engine, and can't afford a Type-S, you were out of luck. A complete flip-side to the topic at hand, though.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby AHTOXA » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:46 pm

DKaz wrote:You can get a fully loaded Rio5 SX and Accent GLS hatch at least in Canada (that I know of) with stick. Push button start, auto climate control, and all that.


Interesting. For 2012 year, the push button start was not available on manual transes for Kia - only on the autos.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby potownrob » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:25 pm

AHTOXA wrote:
DKaz wrote:You can get a fully loaded Rio5 SX and Accent GLS hatch at least in Canada (that I know of) with stick. Push button start, auto climate control, and all that.


Interesting. For 2012 year, the push button start was not available on manual transes for Kia - only on the autos.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby AHTOXA » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:32 pm

It is possible.
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Re: The manual transmission penalty

Postby Rope-Pusher » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:46 pm

Remote start and/or push-button start are just begging for some way of knowing that the car is not in gear and most Amish,
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