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how arupt is braking

Postby NoirX252 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:18 am

when racing? should it be just the same as braking hard in street driving but harder/quicker but not slam quick?

I've noticed at times slamming on the brakes with abs kicking = same or more most of the time as smoothly just braking, but no tire noise.

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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby mad_finn » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:44 am

Depends, I have raced on tracks and streets, and done few quartermile runs, then there is left servial forms of raceing, anyhow, I havent ever slammed the brakes, unless there have been obstacle on the way, wich I cant pass from anywhere, and I dont have "2nd way" to turn on.
Never crashed due of this though, but zillion close calls.

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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby Tups » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:42 am

Of course you'll be hitting the pedal harder since you're going faster and braking later, but in the end it's not about how you brake, but when...
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby NoirX252 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:15 pm

was just wondering. I used to burn into corners with my old car (slush), and I've toned down a lot since then, but occasionally when bored, I do get the urge to brake hard from a decent speed into a corner on an empty road... so I asked lol.

I've been taking corners 1 gear higher than normal these days. Been bored and been taking corners faster. I love it when my RWD understeers for a split second while taking a 90 degree corner in the rain.

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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby LHOswald » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:49 pm

NoirX252 wrote:I've been taking corners 1 gear higher than normal these days. Been bored and been taking corners faster. I love it when my RWD understeers for a split second while taking a 90 degree corner in the rain.

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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby theholycow » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:06 pm

NoirX252 wrote:I love it when my RWD understeers
What kind of RWD car do you drive that understeers? Sounds awful. Most RWD cars oversteer, allowing you to powerslide (or as the kids say, "drift") in extreme conditions.
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby mad_finn » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:07 pm

Take ANY older RWD car, and try to get fast in the corner, turn sharply, without accleration, and you will find yourself in heavy understeer, older american cars, (like 80's caprices and such) with not too much power, will understeer even if acclerateing.

Exept, if you know how to do "scandinavian flic" (possibly known in other terms outside europe)
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Postby theholycow » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:12 pm

Good point, I must have forgotten about underpowered RWD boats...which is truly odd since I own one.
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby ra64t » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:37 pm

you should not quite slam it, but more like squeeze it to max pressure without locking very, very fast. You don't quite slam it as fast as humanly possible because the extreme weight transfer could be enough to lock wheels. Also, as the car slows down, you need to gradually release pressure from the brakes, because as the car slows, it needs less braking force to maintain constant deceleration. If you maintain the maximum pressure from the initial braking, you will lock the wheels as the car starts to slow.

RWD street cars will usually generally understeer, perhaps less then FWD though, and manufacturers would get sued like mad if they made their cars handle "neutral" from the factory.

Power on oversteer is another thing though, if there's enough power, a RWD can oversteer on throttle application out of a corner. Even a neutral handling race car will understeer on power though, until the point of loosing traction from increasing acceleration, if that makes sense. The car understeers under acceleration because weight is transferred backwards, giving the rear more grip.
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby watkins » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:47 am

mad_finn wrote:Exept, if you know how to do "scandinavian flic" (possibly known in other terms outside europe)

Works best for sending a FWD vehicle sideways
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby NoirX252 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:44 am

It understeered mid corner in a 90 degree corner in the wet.

mid transition phase from when i eased off the brakes/gas, I think i hit a slight bump/twist in the road and the front wheels lost traction for a split second, was not going balls to the wall driving in any means, just a bit faster than decently brisk/speedy, lol.

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Postby theholycow » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:49 am

So, what kind of car is it?
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby mad_finn » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:54 am

watkins wrote:
mad_finn wrote:Exept, if you know how to do "scandinavian flic" (possibly known in other terms outside europe)

Works best for sending a FWD vehicle sideways

Hmmm.... Any vehicles, FWD RWD and 4WD :)
once I was youg fool, (not too long ago actually :oops: ) I did hand brake turns, powerslided etcetc... on our companys 14 ton truck, on wintertime ofcourse.
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby LHOswald » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:38 pm

mad_finn wrote:Take ANY older RWD car, and try to get fast in the corner, turn sharply, without accleration, and you will find yourself in heavy understeer, older american cars, (like 80's caprices and such) with not too much power, will understeer even if acclerateing.

Exept, if you know how to do "scandinavian flic" (possibly known in other terms outside europe)


you mean to tell me there are other ways to drift without the Scandinavian flick?
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Re: how arupt is braking

Postby theholycow » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:55 pm

LHOswald wrote:you mean to tell me there are other ways to drift without the Scandinavian flick?
You drive a compact pickup...you of all people should know how to get sideways without the flick.
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