Re: Fiesta Frustrations
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:39 pm
The circuit codes should mean the computer's not getting signal back from the sensors. I'd suspect sensors or wiring.
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Time to come out from under the covers and check to see if the cam timing is correct. Should be some arrows that get lined up when everything is copacetic. Checking this is free, just requires some research and some time spent removing belt covers and such.Squint wrote:Borrowed a OBDII from a guy at work. Reading 3 codes:
P0016 - Crankshaft position, Camshaft position correlation bank 1 sensor A.
P0365 - Camshaft position sensor B circuit (bank 1)
P0340 - Camshaft position sensor A circuit (bank 1 or single sensor).
The question now becomes, does the car think the timing is off so is putting the car into safe mode and not allowing power and the sensors are just broken or not communicating properly?
Or is the timing actually off?
Or third idea from anyone else? It seems there isn't a ton of Fiesta maintenance help to be found online through Google - perhaps the car is too new for too many overhauls by people?
Is your car's engine any relation to that in the Escape? It might show up there.Squint wrote:I'm going to attempt to inspect all of the sensors and applicable wiring. However, it seems very difficult to find a service manual for the thing... or even a wiring diagram. Chilton and Haynes don't seem to have one.
My dad is checking on http://www.alldatadiy.com (I didn't know about this one) but seriously... this is frustrating.
Seeing that the Fiesta can get a P0017 indicates the existence of a second sensor and makes me wonder about that crankshaft position sensor; I don't know that engine's design, but being an inline engine I can't imagine it has two camshafts, which leads me to deduce the sensors are redundant and there can't be a way for the camshaft position to actually be wrong without triggering BOTH sensors. On that logic I would try to google up a multimeter test procedure for Ford crankshaft position sensors. Also, depending on how the sensor works it could be sensitive to grit/corrosion at its mounting surface or dirt in its bore; it might just need to be removed, cleaned, and have its hole cleaned (send the Enterprise to orbit it in search of Klingons!). (Granted, my logic sometimes leads me to dead ends, so if the thing is buried under the intake manifold or something you might want to get more opinions before following that lead!)2012 Ford Fiesta SE throwing codes: P0016, P0017, P0340, and P0365. No visible wire damage. Recommended to checking timing on timing belt to rule out the belt, and if that is fine, to next check the cam shaft sensors. Finally, if those are all fine, I was recommended to check the crank shaft sensor, which I was told was a cumbersome process. Any ideas?
Symptoms: CEL on, and during start up there is a slight shudder or sort of skip, then it will turn on, or it may just not fully start and I'll have to turn the key to start the engine again.
Vehicle: 2012 Ford Fiesta, 1.6L
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P0016 Crankshaft position -camshaft position Bank 1 sensor A
P0017 Crankshaft position-camshaft postion Bank 1 sensor B
P0340 Camshaft position Sensor A circuit (Bank1 )
P0365 Camshaft position sensor B circuit (Bank 1)
It is better to rule out a mechanical problem dealing with the timing belt area. This engine is out of timing. If this was a variable camshaft timing solenoid or even the cam position sensor the engine will start up but there would not be a shudder or a skip at idle. it would run rough on engine load. Rule out a mechanical condition
I don't know that engine's design, but being an inline engine I can't imagine it has two camshafts, which leads me to deduce the sensors are redundant and there can't be a way for the camshaft position to actually be wrong without triggering BOTH sensors.
Yeah - sometimes, it lets them get better angles on the valves so the ports flow more....theholycow wrote:Seriously? One for intake and one for exhaust, then?
RP is correct. It does have DOH!C. I inspected both those sensors today and found no issues with wiring, lubricant, or corrosion. Because life tosses a million things at you at once, I didn't get a chance to jack the car up to look at the crankshaft sensor. That's the task for tomorrow.Rope-Pusher wrote:Yeah - sometimes, it lets them get better angles on the valves so the ports flow more....theholycow wrote:Seriously? One for intake and one for exhaust, then?
It also lets you put in a variable valve timing difference between the intake and exhaust cams, to spread the torque curve flatter.
The way I read it, he's saying that the first order of business is to inspect/investigate/test in order to actively rule out a mechanical issue, but he is not saying how nor is he suggesting to ignore it/rule it out by default.Squint wrote:Is he saying to rule out a mechanical issue by inspection? Or rule it out because it's not that?