Uphill Launches Without Handbrake

[AHTOXA]

The real question is whether standing on your dick makes the hill any bigger.

[Rope-Pusher]

^Pissing into the ocean makes it deeper, right?

[Shadow]

^Holding a car still on a hill by slipping the clutch is about the most thermally abusive thing you can do to the clutch facing material.

Yup, it sure is....and that's exactly why I said it's not good to do. I was making a point by illustrating that any car is capable of being held on a hill with the clutch. It doesn't matter how much torque the engine makes.

Starting on a hill without using the e-brake doesn't make your dick any bigger either.

No, the ability to start on a hill without using the e-brake is not in any way directly related to penis size. I know a few women who can do it like pros, and I can assure you that none of them has a penis of any size.

[scionkid]

However,

I have driven fully loaded stick shift buses on steep hill where this technique worked. And when I tried the same hill in my xB, the car just rolled down hill as soon as I released the brake. Having the clutch at the friction point did nothing. I could launch with this technique, in vehicles that have the capability to hold on a hill with the clutch alone. I just prefer not to; I prefer to release my brakes when I'm good and ready.

Have you ever seen someone hold his/her car on a hill with the clutch? It's not a good thing to do, but it can be done in every car. The car doesn't need to make a lot of torque...it just needs to have a clutch that's in good repair. If your Scion can't be held on a hill with its clutch, you might want to bring it in for repair.

I have seen it. And as I mentioned, I did it in a fully loaded bus before. When it comes to my car, it just doesn't have idle torque to do it. If I have it at the friction point, it rolls down hill. If I release it more, it stalls before the clutch can grab hard enough to hold on a hill. If all the cars in your experience can hold on a hill with the clutch, you might want to broaden your stick shift experience.

[Reverence]

As Scion said, not every car can be held still on a hill at FP. Some cars are just too heavy for the engine they are fitted with, and/or, have too low a torque at idle/low rpms.
Some cars can't even be no gas launched in a reasonable time, just like no gas launching in 3rd.

[Reverence]

No, the ability to start on a hill without using the e-brake is not in any way directly related to penis size. I know a few women who can do it like pros, and I can assure you that none of them has a penis of any size.

Having a 3rd leg definitely helps when driving a stick shifter up the hill.

[bk7794]

So applying a bit of clutch for a split second to hold the car is bad? I thought I read that it was the correct way to do it..or one of two correct ways to do it

[scionkid]

No, the ability to start on a hill without using the e-brake is not in any way directly related to penis size. I know a few women who can do it like pros, and I can assure you that none of them has a penis of any size.

Having a 3rd leg definitely helps when driving a stick shifter up the hill.

"He doesn't even need a stick, he's gonna smack the puck with his ......."
Chris Rock on Lebron and Hockey

So applying a bit of clutch for a split second to hold the car is bad? I thought I read that it was the correct way to do it..

Yes, it is bad for the clutch. Starting on a hill is bad for the clutch. The idea is to use the least abusive method. Holding the car with the clutch for a split second (count one thou. . . , and you're moving ) is acceptable. Holding it for 10 seconds or so is not.

[theholycow]

I know a few women who can do it like pros, and I can assure you that none of them has a penis of any size.

So applying a bit of clutch for a split second to hold the car is bad? I thought I read that it was the correct way to do it..or one of two correct ways to do it

It's fine. The clutch is designed to be used exactly that way.

Holding the car on the hill for two minutes with the clutch while you wait for a long traffic light is bad.

[Shadow]

I have seen it. And as I mentioned, I did it in a fully loaded bus before. When it comes to my car, it just doesn't have idle torque to do it. If I have it at the friction point, it rolls down hill. If I release it more, it stalls before the clutch can grab hard enough to hold on a hill. If all the cars in your experience can hold on a hill with the clutch, you might want to broaden your stick shift experience.

Show me. Post a video of your car rolling backwards while trying to hold it on a hill using the clutch. Until then, I simply don't believe it....unless you have a severely worn or slipping clutch. That's why I said you might want to have it check out/repaired.

As for my stick shift experience....it's pretty broad already. Started driving stick 26 years ago when I got my learner's permit. I've owned at least 15 stick shift cars during that time (I'd have to really think back and count to know for sure) and I've driven countless others.

[Shadow]

So applying a bit of clutch for a split second to hold the car is bad? I thought I read that it was the correct way to do it..or one of two correct ways to do it

A split second? No, that's not bad at all....in fact, that's how everyone starts on a hill, whether they know it or not. Even if someone uses his/her handbrake to stop from rolling backwards, it still has to be released in order to move forward and for that split second it is the clutch that's holding the car from rolling backwards.

When you start moving from a dead stop on a level surface, the clutch slips enough to transition from disengaged to engaged. That's the whole purpose of a clutch. On a hill, the clutch just slips a bit more because the car tends to roll backwards. Gravity can be a bitch! LOL

[Shadow]

Hmm.... this discussion got me thinking... how many of us need to use the handbrake to start off on a hill. So I created a poll thread here:

http://www.standardshift.com/forum/view ... 10&t=13568

The results should be interesting.

[scionkid]

I have seen it. And as I mentioned, I did it in a fully loaded bus before. When it comes to my car, it just doesn't have idle torque to do it. If I have it at the friction point, it rolls down hill. If I release it more, it stalls before the clutch can grab hard enough to hold on a hill. If all the cars in your experience can hold on a hill with the clutch, you might want to broaden your stick shift experience.

Show me. Post a video of your car rolling backwards while trying to hold it on a hill using the clutch. Until then, I simply don't believe it....unless you have a severely worn or slipping clutch. That's why I said you might want to have it check out/repaired.

I don't have my car anymore. But you can go test drive a Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, Ford Fiesta, or any other subcompacts, put yourself on a steep hill (looking at the sky steep), and you can see for yourself. When I last had my car, I know that the clutch was still good. It wasn't slipping when I gave it full throttle at peak torque. That's what the clutch really needed to do.

[Shadow]

I don't have my car anymore. But you can go test drive a Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, Ford Fiesta, or any other subcompacts, put yourself on a steep hill (looking at the sky steep), and you can see for yourself. When I last had my car, I know that the clutch was still good. It wasn't slipping when I gave it full throttle at peak torque. That's what the clutch really needed to do.

I used to work at a Toyota dealership as a tech. I've driven plenty of Scions. I have to admit that I've never driven a Yaris though...they weren't around when I worked at Toyota.

[Reverence]

You could also try an Audi A6L with a 2.0T engine. Before the Turbo kicks in at around 1500rpm, you don't have any torque at all!! that thing is so heavy it won't no gas launch, it won't be held on a hill with the clutch.