Clutch memorization
Clutch memorization
Ok, so I've been driving manual for a few months now and I'm confident about getting around town. Just launching I have a question. Do you guys memorize where the clutch engages?
Lets say for example: The clutch usually engages about 2 inches after you start lifting your foot. Do you guys lift your left foot 2 inches as quickly as possible while giving the gas for a quicker launch?
Thanks for your time!
Lets say for example: The clutch usually engages about 2 inches after you start lifting your foot. Do you guys lift your left foot 2 inches as quickly as possible while giving the gas for a quicker launch?
Thanks for your time!
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Re: Clutch memorization
I believe there IS a certain amount of clutch memorization, but it's not so much as in inches as it is by feel. It becomes muscle memory after a while.chris850t wrote:Ok, so I've been driving manual for a few months now and I'm confident about getting around town. Just launching I have a question. Do you guys memorize where the clutch engages?
Lets say for example: The clutch usually engages about 2 inches after you start lifting your foot. Do you guys lift your left foot 2 inches as quickly as possible while giving the gas for a quicker launch?
Thanks for your time!
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Most cars have about three zones of clutch engagement:
Fully disengaged: pedal is in about its bottom third. Most drivers let up this zone pretty fast to save time.
Slipping: pedal is in about the middle third. Do this stage smoothly, controlling the throttle as needed, to launch.
Fully connected: Pedal is about the top third. At this point, you can let up all the way quickly with no problems.
Fully disengaged: pedal is in about its bottom third. Most drivers let up this zone pretty fast to save time.
Slipping: pedal is in about the middle third. Do this stage smoothly, controlling the throttle as needed, to launch.
Fully connected: Pedal is about the top third. At this point, you can let up all the way quickly with no problems.
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Re: Clutch memorization
No. For two reasons.chris850t wrote:Ok, so I've been driving manual for a few months now and I'm confident about getting around town. Just launching I have a question. Do you guys memorize where the clutch engages?
1. The clutch is a friction coupling, which means that it does not engage at the same point of clutch pedal travel each time. The clutch pedal controls the amount of pressure holding the clutch plate against the flywheel. When the clutch engages is a function of the amount of pressure holding the clutch against the flywheel, the torque differential between the clutch and the flywheel (different on a hill, or with a fully loaded car, or when you give more gas), and the amount of time the pressure is maintained.
2. You drive the car, not the clutch. If you are going to memorize something, memorize how the car behaves. The movement of the feet is not absolute: it is, and must always be, relative to how the car behaves in each individual driving situation.
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I did until I drove a vehicle with a twin plate ceramic clutch that engages near the top. Lifting it high and fast and memorizing where the friction point did not help at all. I stalled 20 times a day even with 2 years of clutch experience, until I started to diligently find the friction point. You're better off finding the friction point every time you launch. It'll make you a more versatile and consistent driver.
I'd like to think that what I did was not memorization; rather, it's more of clutch familiarization.
Basically, by driving your car regularly, you gain a certain affinity with how your car reacts to what you are doing. Release the clutch to fast, this happens. Not enough gas on your launch? Something else happens. It's kind of like dating a girl, I guess. You say something nice to her, she smiles sweetly. Trying to be a little to "fast" for her? You get a slap on the face.
Pretty simplistic, I guess, but that's just the way I see it.
Basically, by driving your car regularly, you gain a certain affinity with how your car reacts to what you are doing. Release the clutch to fast, this happens. Not enough gas on your launch? Something else happens. It's kind of like dating a girl, I guess. You say something nice to her, she smiles sweetly. Trying to be a little to "fast" for her? You get a slap on the face.
Pretty simplistic, I guess, but that's just the way I see it.
When launching, is the idea to keep engine revs about the same while releasing the clutch by increasing acceleration?
I've just realised that I usually let the revs drop quite a bit when I launch, saw somebody driving a 4WD the other day and was quite impressed with their launch.
I've just realised that I usually let the revs drop quite a bit when I launch, saw somebody driving a 4WD the other day and was quite impressed with their launch.
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I think my leg muscles memorized it.
Talking about clutch distance, my car's engagement point was beyond the middle third, it was kind adifficult at first, we made it lower, and it matches blauenlanze description, when I asked why it was so high, they said it's better for the disc. How true is that?
About launching, I inject a little bit of gas( actuall I've to or it'll stall beyonf the bottom third, a car with no gas can stumble over a peddle), but gas isn't what make it go steady, your balance between clutch and gas is what makes a smooth launch, but it's something you get used to it. I cna have very clumsy launches or very smooth steady launches, I am still working on my techniques.
Most drivers around me use the clutch-gas balancing up hill. It's not working for me yet, but I am not sure what are the consquences.
Talking about clutch distance, my car's engagement point was beyond the middle third, it was kind adifficult at first, we made it lower, and it matches blauenlanze description, when I asked why it was so high, they said it's better for the disc. How true is that?
About launching, I inject a little bit of gas( actuall I've to or it'll stall beyonf the bottom third, a car with no gas can stumble over a peddle), but gas isn't what make it go steady, your balance between clutch and gas is what makes a smooth launch, but it's something you get used to it. I cna have very clumsy launches or very smooth steady launches, I am still working on my techniques.
Most drivers around me use the clutch-gas balancing up hill. It's not working for me yet, but I am not sure what are the consquences.
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Unless you're comfortable with your launches and are very fast on the clutch/gas, you might end up prematurely wearing your clutch doing this. Best way to hold yourself on hills is to shift to neutral, handbrake, clutch out. Then, when you need to launch, clutch in, 1st gear, clutch out and gas, and drop the handbrake as the clutch grabs.rubi wrote:Most drivers around me use the clutch-gas balancing up hill. It's not working for me yet, but I am not sure what are the consquences.
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depends. that's a steady rev launch. or you can hold the throttle pedal steady and the revs will dip down and come back up, that's a steady gas launch. whatever suits you.phantomD wrote:When launching, is the idea to keep engine revs about the same while releasing the clutch by increasing acceleration?
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I just move my feet quickly to gas(clutch slipped a bit), but I am not quite sure about the balance, tried that today to slow down but couldn't make it stop without braking.DrNick wrote:
Unless you're comfortable with your launches and are very fast on the clutch/gas, you might end up prematurely wearing your clutch doing this. Best way to hold yourself on hills is to shift to neutral, handbrake, clutch out. Then, when you need to launch, clutch in, 1st gear, clutch out and gas, and drop the handbrake as the clutch grabs.
My uncle just plays on hills, back and forth...
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My crystal ball sees a clutch job in the future for both of you.rubi wrote:I just move my feet quickly to gas(clutch slipped a bit), but I am not quite sure about the balance, tried that today to slow down but couldn't make it stop without braking.DrNick wrote:
Unless you're comfortable with your launches and are very fast on the clutch/gas, you might end up prematurely wearing your clutch doing this. Best way to hold yourself on hills is to shift to neutral, handbrake, clutch out. Then, when you need to launch, clutch in, 1st gear, clutch out and gas, and drop the handbrake as the clutch grabs.
My uncle just plays on hills, back and forth...
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