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I googled it:
http://www.kbb.com/kbb/UsedCars/Specifi ... Horsepower 82 @ 5200 RPM
Torque 89 @ 4400 RPM[/quote]Redline is likely to be a little bit north of peak HP, maybe 5500 or 6000, though with the car being kinda old and beat-up I personally wouldn't want to take it past 5000.
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks. ... te]4-speed manual: 33/37
5-speed manual: 29/35[/quote]Dude, wait, what? Why would they add a gear and make it get worse fuel economy?
http://www.kbb.com/kbb/UsedCars/Specifi ... Horsepower 82 @ 5200 RPM
Torque 89 @ 4400 RPM[/quote]Redline is likely to be a little bit north of peak HP, maybe 5500 or 6000, though with the car being kinda old and beat-up I personally wouldn't want to take it past 5000.
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks. ... te]4-speed manual: 33/37
5-speed manual: 29/35[/quote]Dude, wait, what? Why would they add a gear and make it get worse fuel economy?
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i get 31-36 mixed...
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I'm not sure where yours redlines. We have different engines. Mine is at 5800.wannabe wrote:where do our cars redline at? i wanna make a paper tach.
The 4-spd has taller gears BUT a shorter overdrive (4th is overdrive). Better fuel economy in the city than the 5-spd but not quite as good on the highway. I don't know where you found that info but it's not entirely accurate.theholycow wrote:Dude, wait, what? Why would they add a gear and make it get worse fuel economy?4-speed manual: 33/37
5-speed manual: 29/35
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darn. what do you get on ave, mixed?
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I got the info at the link that I posted above the quote. Since then I checked the EPA rating...mtheis wrote:The 4-spd has taller gears BUT a shorter overdrive (4th is overdrive). Better fuel economy in the city than the 5-spd but not quite as good on the highway. I don't know where you found that info but it's not entirely accurate.
According to fueleconomy.gov:
1992 Toyota Tercel 4 speed manual: 27/33
1992 Toyota Tercel 5 speed manual: 25/33
So, by the EPA's standardized tests, the 4 speed and 5 speed get the same highway mileage, but the 4 speed gets better city mileage. WTF...doesn't make sense.
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36 mixed.wannabe wrote:darn. what do you get on ave, mixed?
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The 4 speed has taller gears so the rpm's are lower in city driving.theholycow wrote:So, by the EPA's standardized tests, the 4 speed and 5 speed get the same highway mileage, but the 4 speed gets better city mileage. WTF...doesn't make sense.
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That doesn't make sense. They both get the same highway mileage, which says they probably both have the same high gear. The 5 speed would have to have its 2nd lower than the 4 speed's 1st before its ratios would be spread more and leave you with a less appropriate gear for any particular speed.mtheis wrote:The 4 speed has taller gears so the rpm's are lower in city driving.
Was the 5 speed with a different engine, maybe? The sites I posted don't mention two engine options, but that would explain it.
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Final drive ratio. Engines are the same.
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Ok, I had to look up the ratios.
http://www.tercelreference.com/tercel_i ... specs.html (ratios)
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http://www.f-body.org/gears (gear calculator)
4 speed C141 transmission:
3.545, 1.904, 1.233, .885; final 3.526
MPH @ 2000 RPM - 11, 20, 31, 43
MPH @ 4000 RPM - 22, 40, 62, 87
RPM @ 25 MPH - 4700, 2500, 1600, 1150
RPM @ 50 MPH - explosion, 5000, 3200, 2300
RPM @ 70 MPH - explosion, explosion, 4500, 3233
5 speed C150 transmission:
3.545, 1.904, 1.310, .969, .815; final 3.722
MPH @ 2000 RPM - 10, 19, 28, 38, 45
MPH @ 4000 RPM - 21, 38, 56, 75, 89
RPM @ 25 MPH - 4850, 2600, 1800, 1350, 1100
RPM @ 50 MPH - explosion, 5200, 3600, 2650, 2250
RPM @ 70 MPH - explosion, explosion, 5050, 3750, 3150
So, the total range is about the same. The 5 speed has a marginally shorter 1st and a marginally taller 5th when you count the final gear. 1st and 2nd are almost the same; 3rd is a little shorter in the 5 speed; high gear is a little taller; and the 5 speed's 4th splits the difference.
I'm just not seeing a transmission-related reason for the city fuel economy rating to suffer. What else was included with the option package that had the 5 speed?
http://www.tercelreference.com/tercel_i ... specs.html (ratios)
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4 speed C141 transmission:
3.545, 1.904, 1.233, .885; final 3.526
MPH @ 2000 RPM - 11, 20, 31, 43
MPH @ 4000 RPM - 22, 40, 62, 87
RPM @ 25 MPH - 4700, 2500, 1600, 1150
RPM @ 50 MPH - explosion, 5000, 3200, 2300
RPM @ 70 MPH - explosion, explosion, 4500, 3233
5 speed C150 transmission:
3.545, 1.904, 1.310, .969, .815; final 3.722
MPH @ 2000 RPM - 10, 19, 28, 38, 45
MPH @ 4000 RPM - 21, 38, 56, 75, 89
RPM @ 25 MPH - 4850, 2600, 1800, 1350, 1100
RPM @ 50 MPH - explosion, 5200, 3600, 2650, 2250
RPM @ 70 MPH - explosion, explosion, 5050, 3750, 3150
So, the total range is about the same. The 5 speed has a marginally shorter 1st and a marginally taller 5th when you count the final gear. 1st and 2nd are almost the same; 3rd is a little shorter in the 5 speed; high gear is a little taller; and the 5 speed's 4th splits the difference.
I'm just not seeing a transmission-related reason for the city fuel economy rating to suffer. What else was included with the option package that had the 5 speed?
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Cloth seats.theholycow wrote:I'm just not seeing a transmission-related reason for the city fuel economy rating to suffer. What else was included with the option package that had the 5 speed?
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Props for another great 90s Toyota. Back in the early 90s when I was in grade school, these were awesome. It was "luxurious" to have the latest model Tercel, so I still remember them fondly.
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You don't look drunk, your english is still good.mtheis wrote:The only reason I'm reviving this thread is because I'm drunk off my ass. I have no valid reason to use 5W30 since I moved back south. It doesn't get cold enough here. I still have engine knock and I'm switching to 10W30 sometime this week. I use the cheapest oil too. You know what? My car can handle it. I do have a stuck lifter but I don't care right now.
Ok no more drunk postings tonight. I can see daylight through my bedroom window and I have a f**k exam tomorrow.
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Haven't seen you here in a while. Welcome back!maxpyr0 wrote:Props for another great 90s Toyota. Back in the early 90s when I was in grade school, these were awesome. It was "luxurious" to have the latest model Tercel, so I still remember them fondly.
Yeah, my engrish are pretty good when I'm drunk.Leedeth wrote:You don't look drunk, your english is still good.mtheis wrote:The only reason I'm reviving this thread is because I'm drunk off my ass. I have no valid reason to use 5W30 since I moved back south. It doesn't get cold enough here. I still have engine knock and I'm switching to 10W30 sometime this week. I use the cheapest oil too. You know what? My car can handle it. I do have a stuck lifter but I don't care right now.
Ok no more drunk postings tonight. I can see daylight through my bedroom window and I have a f**k exam tomorrow.
Anyway, I switched back to 10W30 last week when I did an oil change and I'm having good results so far.
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Thank you! I am finishing school and getting ready to go to grad school, that has a way of sucking the life out of you.mtheis wrote:Haven't seen you here in a while. Welcome back!maxpyr0 wrote:Props for another great 90s Toyota. Back in the early 90s when I was in grade school, these were awesome. It was "luxurious" to have the latest model Tercel, so I still remember them fondly.
Yeah, my engrish are pretty good when I'm drunk.Leedeth wrote:You don't look drunk, your english is still good.mtheis wrote:The only reason I'm reviving this thread is because I'm drunk off my ass. I have no valid reason to use 5W30 since I moved back south. It doesn't get cold enough here. I still have engine knock and I'm switching to 10W30 sometime this week. I use the cheapest oil too. You know what? My car can handle it. I do have a stuck lifter but I don't care right now.
Ok no more drunk postings tonight. I can see daylight through my bedroom window and I have a f**k exam tomorrow.
Anyway, I switched back to 10W30 last week when I did an oil change and I'm having good results so far.
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